If you decide not to go ahead with the repair, then I return the clock via UPS and COD. The charge will be $50.00 labor, plus the COD charge ($5.00), plus my standard shipping and the insurance charges ($30.00). This total works out to be $85.00 for a clock returned unrepaired after my estimate. The COD is dropped if you are a previous customer of mine. I do not do any work, repair, or refinishing on the case. Return to Index These are simply all the possibilities and I'd need to see the movement in order to make the best determination. Respectfully, Michael P. Murray Memberships Include: National Association of Watch & Clock Collectors An Internet private E-mailing list called Clocksmiths N.A.W.C.C. National 400-day Clock Chapter # 168 The FTP sites can be accessed from Mike's Clock Clinic's Web site. This site contains all of the FTP (file transfer protocol) sites mentioned below plus much, much more. A service from, E-mail address: Mike@atmos-man.com Mike Murray Founder of Clocksmiths A specialist in Atmos and 400-day clock repair. Also, I overhaul most plug in electric clocks. In continuous service since 04/01/1982. Mike's Clock Clinic Memberships: Clocksmiths & NAWCC 17000 Western Avenue # 7 Gardena, CA 90247-5262 Phone: 310-225-5645, or 877-286-6762 My Web site is located at http://www.atmos-man.com/ Main FTP site is located at http://home.earthlink.net/~atmosman/earthftp.html Memberships: Clocksmiths; NAWCC N.A.W.C.C. International 400-day Clock Chapter # 168 Published in Chapter 168's "Torsion Times" Published in AWCI's "Horological Times" Formally AWCI's 400-day (Anniversary) clock Bench Course Instructor!Copyright © 1995-2012 Michael P. Murray & Mike's Clock Clinic Mike's Clock Clinic Memberships: NAWCC 17000 Western Avenue # 7 Gardena, CA 90247-5262 Phone: 310-225-5645, or 877-286-6762 (Toll Free) E-mail address: Mike@atmos-man.com My Web site is located at http://www.atmosman.com/ Main FTP site is located at http://home.earthlink.net/~atmosman/earthftp.html
Index of Motor and Rotor & Resources by Category: Introduction to Telechron, G.E., Herschede and Revere Electric Clocks. Telechron, G.E., and Revere time only electric clocks. Telechron, G.E., and Revere striking electric clocks. Telechron, G.E., Herschede, and Revere chiming and tall case electric clocks. Specific rotor rebuilding. How Old is your GE, Herschede, or Revere chiming mantel clock or Tall Case chiming clock? My Warranty. Rebuilding other Clock Motors, other Electric Clocks, and General Information. Payment via Pay Pal.
Telechron, G.E., Herschede and Revere Electric Clocks Introduction. You're just taken your electric clock to a local repair place and they state that these parts are no longer available and that they suggest a battery operated replacement. My advise is to RUN as fast as you can. They are correct in that these parts are no longer being manufactured, since about 1980. BUT I can rebuild any motor (actually called the rotor in this case) back to the original factory specifications. Telechron made "motors" for all of the brands mentioned and those motors are extremely reliable. But after 40, 50 or even 80 years, these motors begin to fail. The Telechron motor consists of three parts and those part are the rotor (B-2, H-3, B-3 etc.), the field which are the "arms" that surround the rotor's end, and the coil (W-60, W-72, etc,), which slides onto the field and the electric wires are attached to the coil. Most times (about 80%) it is the rotor that fails. I rebuild your original or replacement rotor and I have every coil in stock. And these rotors and coils carry a 2-year warranty. Complete rotor rebuilding information is located at: http://www.atmosman.com/rotor.html The important thing to remember is that I never do more than is needed and the clock always stays original, as sent to me, or I refuse the work and if the rotor was replaced with an aluminum replacement, you can always purchase an original rebuilt rotor that was installed at the time of manufacture. A original replacement will increase your costs and it varies by the rarity of the rotor. Return to IndexTelechron, G.E., and Revere "Time Only" electric clocks. The rotor rebuilding or replacement takes care of the clock's problems about 80% of the time. Shipping for an individual rotor or coil or together is the same $10.00. Complete rotor rebuilding information is located at: http://www.atmosman.com/rotor.html If your Telechron, Revere or G.E. is a time only, meaning that it does not strike or chime, then it would take an "H" rotor or a "B-2" rotor. Any 3.6 RPM "H" original copper and nickel rotor replacement cost is $100.00. A "B-2" rotor costs $150.00 to rebuild and specifically the "B-2" M-1 is $200.00. A Time Only includes electric alarm clocks. Unfortunately many old Telechron, Revere and G.E. electric clocks have had the rotor replaced prior and therefore will not contain original parts. I can restore to originality or I can repair what is currently there, your choice. Another problem area is the coil. In all cases the clock has a coil and if needed that is $100.00. These are most always 2 watt's. 2 watt coils cost $100.00. About 5% of clock problems has to do with the coil. Assuming that you send the entire clock and it only needs motor or rotor service and the clock is a time only then the costs are $180.00, which is $100.00 for the rotor service and $50.00 for labor and $30.00 for shipping. For the "B-2" rotor the costs are $230.00, which is $150.00 for the rotor service and $50.00 for labor and $30.00 for shipping. For the "B-2" rotor that is an "M-1" the costs are $280.00, which is $200.00 for the rotor service and $50.00 for labor and $30.00 for shipping. Here's some possible scenarios if you send the entire clock: H3-rotor rebuilding $100.00 Labor $50.00 Shipping via UPS ground $30.00 Total $180.00 B2-rotor rebuilding $150.00 Labor $50.00 Shipping via UPS ground $30.00 Total $230.00 B2-rotor (M-1) rebuilding $200.00 Labor $50.00 Shipping via UPS ground $30.00 Total $280.00 If a coil is needed then add $100.00 to each of the above. Please be sure to double box the clock and insure it for at least $200. By double box I mean to pack the 1st and 2nd boxes as if you were going to ship each independent from the other one. I use a 24" x 9" x 9" as the first box and then use a 28" X 12" x 12" box for the second. The last box does fall within the total grit that UPS uses and keeps the shipping costs way down.. Sending rotors, coils, or complete motors, you can use any small shipping box. Your problem could also be the caused by wear in the movement (mechanism) from usage. About 15% of the time this is necessary and this would require an overhaul. An overhaul on a time only electric is $150.00 plus $30.00 shipping. The movement overhaul does NOT include the rotor or coil, so that would be added to the cost of the overhaul and that would be the worse case scenario. I realize this may all be confusing but I never do more than is needed and the clock always stays original, as sent to me, or I refuse the work. Return to IndexTelechron, G.E., and Revere striking electric clocks. The rotor rebuilding or replacement takes care of the clock's problems about 80% of the time. Shipping for an individual rotor or coil or together is the same $10.00. Complete rotor rebuilding information is located at: http://www.atmosman.com/rotor.html If your Telechron, Revere or G.E. is a striking clock, meaning that it does strike the hour and sometimes the 1/2 hour, then it would take either an "H" rotor or a "B-2" rotor. This includes "Ship's" and many mantel clocks. Any 3.6 RPM "H" original copper and nickel rotor replacement cost is $100.00. Rebuilding your "B-2" rotor costs $150.00 or $200.00 if the "B-2" is an M-1 rotor. Unfortunately many old Telechron, Revere and G.E. electric clocks have had the rotor replaced prior and therefore will not contain original parts. I can restore to originality or I can repair what is currently there, your choice. Another problem area is the coil. In all cases the clock has a coil and if needed that is $100.00. These are most always 2 watt's. 2 watt coils cost $100.00. About 5% of clock problems has to do with the coil. Assuming that you send the entire clock and it only needs motor or rotor service and the clock is a striker then the costs are $180.00, which is $100.00 for the rotor service and $50.00 for labor and $30.00 for shipping. For the "B-2" rotor the costs are $230.00, which is $150.00 for the rotor service and $50.00 for labor and $30.00 for shipping. For the "B-2" rotor that is an "M-1" the costs are $280.00, which is $200.00 for the rotor service and $50.00 for labor and $30.00 for shipping. Here's some possible scenarios if you send the entire clock: H3-rotor rebuilding $100.00 Labor $50.00 Shipping via UPS ground $30.00 Total $180.00 B2-rotor rebuilding $150.00 Labor $50.00 Shipping via UPS ground $30.00 Total $230.00 B2-rotor (M-1) rebuilding $200.00 Labor $50.00 Shipping via UPS ground $30.00 Total $280.00 If a coil is needed then add $100.00 to each of the above. Please be sure to double box the clock and insure it for at least $200. By double box I mean to pack the 1st and 2nd boxes as if you were going to ship each independent from the other one. I use a 24" x 9" x 9" as the first box and then use a 28" X 12" x 12" box for the second. The last box does fall within the total grit that UPS uses and keeps the shipping costs way down. Your problem could also be the caused by wear in the movement (mechanism) from usage. About 15% of the time this is necessary and this would require an overhaul. An overhaul on striking electrics is $250.00 plus $30.00 shipping. The movement overhaul does NOT include the rotor or coil, so that would be added to the cost of the overhaul and that would be the worse case scenario. I realize this may all be confusing but I never do more than is needed and the clock always stays original, as sent to me, or I refuse the work. Return to IndexTelechron, G.E., Herschede, and Revere chiming and tall case electric clocks. The rotor rebuilding or replacement takes care of the clock's problems about 80% of the time. Shipping for an individual rotor or coil or together is the same $10.00. Complete rotor rebuilding information is located at: http://www.atmosman.com/rotor.html If your Telechron, Revere, Herschede or G.E. is a chimer, meaning that it does chime each quarter hour and strikes the hour, then it would take a "B-3" rotor. This includes Grandfather and Grandmother and many mantel clocks. Rebuilding your "B-3" rotor costs $150.00 and the "B-3" M-31 rotor costs $200.00. Unfortunately many old Telechron, Revere, Herschede and G.E. chiming electric clock have had the rotor replaced prior and therefore will not contain original parts. I can restore to originality or can repair what is currently there, your choice. Another problem area is the coil. In all cases the clock has a coil and if needed that is $100.00. These are most always 4 watt's. 4 watt coils cost $100.00. About 5% of clock problems has to do with the coil. Assuming that you send the entire chiming clock (I do NOT accept entire Grandfather or Grandmother clock cases) and it only needs motor or rotor service then the costs are $230.00, which is $150.00 for the rotor service and $50.00 for labor and $30.00 for shipping. For the "B-3" rotor that is an "M-31" the costs are $280.00, which is $200.00 for the rotor service and $50.00 for labor and $30.00 for shipping. Here's some possible scenarios if you send the entire clock: B3-rotor rebuilding $150.00 Labor $50.00 Shipping via UPS ground $30.00 Total $230.00 B3-rotor (M-31) rebuilding $200.00 Labor $50.00 Shipping via UPS ground $30.00 Total $280.00 If a coil is needed then add $100.00 to each of the above. This is rare. I do accept the movement (mechanism) for electric Grandfather and Grandmother clocks but, most likely, you would need an expert to install it once it return to your located or the location of your clock person. Please be aware that both Telechron and Herschede used the "B-2" rotor initially. After a few years they both realized that the "B-2" did not have enough torque in order to last more that a few years or decades. Therefore I strongly suggest that your "B-2" rotor be replaced with a "B-3" rotor, as was done at the factory, if you send in your movement for a Grandfather or Grandmother electric clock. Please be sure to double box the clock and insure it for at least $200. By double box I mean to pack the 1st and 2nd boxes as if you were going to ship each independent from the other one. I use a 24" x 9" x 9" as the first box and then use a 28" X 12" x 12" box for the second. The last box does fall within the total grit that UPS uses and keeps the shipping costs way down. Your problem could also be the caused by wear in the movement (mechanism) from usage. About 15% of the time this is necessary and this would require an overhaul. An overhaul on chiming electrics is $250.00 plus $30.00 shipping. The movement overhaul does NOT include the rotor or coil, so that would be added to the cost of the overhaul and that would be the worse case scenario. The movement overhaul is somewhat rare and depends how long the Revere has been in service. The earliest were made in the 1920's and many were sold in the 1930's to 1950's. So after 80+ years of running, the mechanism is probably on its last legs. But some just keep on going. What I'm trying to say is that the necessity of an overhaul is unknown until I test it. However, movement rebuilding on a Grandfather or Grandmother, adds $600.00 to each of the above. I realize this may all be confusing but I never do more than is needed and the clock always stays original, as sent to me, or I refuse the work. Return to IndexSpecific rotor rebuilding. If you have the original rotor or the rotor that you'd like rebuilt, that is not a problem and the link below covers that. If you do not have the original rotor and want one rebuilt and installed, then the costs go up and the link below explains that as well. If you just want the rotor or motor rebuilt, that's fine but it does not guarantee that it will solve the clock's problems. Most likely it will but I can't guarantee that fact. I still warranty the rotor or motor but not the clock itself if we just deal with the rotor or motor. I can test the motor, rotor, and coil independently of the clock, so we can deal with that separately and I do work on motors, rotors, and coils without the necessity of sending the entire clock. Complete rotor rebuilding information is located at: http://www.atmosman.com/rotor.html You can see the rotor rebuilding procedure at the following link. Rotor Rebuilding Procedure Return to IndexMy Warranty. Any work I perform or any part I replace carries a 2-year warranty. This includes the rotor, coil and mechanical overhaul on the movement. Return to IndexHow Old is Your Chiming Electric Clock? If you open or remove the back door on your Herschede, Revere, or G.E. chiming clock, you will see an embossed number. This number is usually located at the lower right on the movement (mechanism). With this number you can look up the date of its manufacturer.
Return to IndexRebuilding other Clock Motors, other Electric Clocks and General Information. I can and do all types of electric clocks and their motors or rotors including movement overhauling. Complete motor and rotor rebuilding information is located at: http://www.atmosman.com/rotor.html I NEVER do more than is necessary unless the customer insists. If you just want the rotor or motor rebuilt, that's fine but it does not guarantee that it will solve the clock's problems. Most likely it will but I can't guarantee that fact. I still warranty the rotor or motor but not the clock itself if we just deal with the rotor or motor. I can test the motor, rotor, and coil independently of the clock, so we can deal with that separately and I do work on motors, rotors, and coils without the necessity of sending the entire clock. The way I proceed, assuming the clock comes here, is first test the coil, then test the rotor. If any trouble lies in these areas, then I act accordingly and then test the clock for function. As stated earlier, this procedure solves the clock's problems about 80% of the time. If either one or both don't solve the problem then it's on to the overhaul. If it does not have a rotor, (this would be a clock other than a Telechron, Revere, or G.E.) then its first test the motor and if that's good then on to the overhaul. I realize this may all be confusing but I never do more than is needed and the clock always stays original, as sent to me, or I refuse the work. Parts either purchased or made by another will be an additional charge. My charge for shipping and handling is $30.00 if the whole clock come here. Included at that price is from $200 to $900 of UPS insurance depending on the age of the piece. All other parts will be extra. Most rebuilt original motors and rotors sell for between $100.00 and $200.00. Original coils are $100.00. For more rotor/motor information please see: http://www.atmosman.com/rotor.html There's never any hidden extras to the prices quoted above. Once testing starts it is performed in two parts. The first test is the function test to ascertain whether or not my overhaul was satisfactory. Then the second test is the timing test which takes about a week and during this test period I use either the U.S. Postal Service to mail you a copy of the invoice or bill via E-mail and I expect payment in the form mentioned below. I shipped when both the payment and the testing period have been satisfied. Normally shipping takes place one week or so after I receive payment. I ONLY accept Pay Pal, money orders, certified checks, or company checks for payment, but repeat customers may use personal checks. Please be sure to double box the clock and insure it for at least $200. By double box I mean to pack the 1st and 2nd boxes as if you were going to ship each independent from the other one. I use a 24" x 9" x 9" as the first box and then use a 28" X 12" x 12" box for the second. The last box does fall within the total grit that UPS uses and keeps the shipping costs way down. My turnaround is usually 2 to 4 weeks. Please remove and include the pendulum if the clock has one, most electrics do not have a pendulum so do don't knock yourself out trying to find one. Old parts are returned by request only. Return to IndexPayment via Pay Pal You may also use Pay Pal by clicking on the link below.